USC Price School of Public Policy

Chris Matthews discusses new book, Washington politics at Schwarzenegger Institute event

November 15, 2013

By Cristy Lytal

MSNBC's Chris Matthews speaks at USC Nov. 15 (photo by Ron Murray)

MSNBC’s Chris Matthews speaks at USC Nov. 15 (photo by Ron Murray)

In the 1980s, Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill told Republican President Ronald Reagan that members of opposing parties are always friends after six o’clock.

Political commentator Chris Matthews discussed this and other insights from his new book, Tip and the Gipper: When Politics Worked, in a lively conversation with former California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger on Nov. 15 in USC’s Doheny Memorial Library.

California historian and USC University Professor Kevin Starr moderated the event hosted by the USC Schwarzenegger Institute for State and Global Policy, which is housed at the USC Price School of Public Policy.

Bonnie Reiss, global director of the Schwarzenegger Institute, opened the program explaining how “getting government to put people over politics is a core mission of institute, which recognizes that our leaders will not be able to address any of the big policy challenges until they work together.”

Schwarzenegger, who is the Governor Downey Professor of State and Global Policy at USC, underscored the timeliness of Matthews’ book given the current state of Washington, “where the city is frozen, and nothing gets done.”

In contrast, O’Neill and Reagan frequently reached across the aisle to cut deals. But their relationship was far from simple.

Matthews, who hosts MSNBC’s Hardball, previously worked for six years as chief of staff to O’Neill and observed his relationship with Reagan firsthand. Matthews described O’Neill as a “tough, tough customer.”

“The key thing is, it’s not some bromance story here,” said Matthews. “This is about two guys that are professionals in their seventies. They knew it was time for action and for deals. So they knew they had to fix Social Security. They did it. They knew they had to fix up the taxes. They got the rate to 28 percent, but they equalized earned income with equity income, something the progressives wanted.”

Matthews held up the end of the Cold War as a shining example of how bipartisanship can advance the good of the country — and the world. In April 1985, Reagan sent O’Neill and a bipartisan delegation to meet Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in Moscow.

“You can’t imagine Obama sending Boehner over to meet Putin,” said Matthews. “Then, it was treated as a normal, unexceptional reality. And Tip said, ‘I’m the opposition.’ And Gorby said, ‘Well, what’s that?’ And Tip said, ‘Well, it means we don’t disagree on everything. But Reagan’s our only president. We’re with him on this.’ ”

Arnold Schwarzenegger leads the discussion at Doheny Library (photo by Ron Murray)

Arnold Schwarzenegger leads the discussion at Doheny Library (photo by Ron Murray)

As Governor of California, Schwarzenegger also took a bipartisan approach to politics.

Schwarzenegger described how he chose members of his administration, including Democratic Chief of Staff Susan Kennedy, based on talent rather than on party affiliation. When he chose Kennedy, the Republican Party leaders called him for a meeting and told him to reconsider. He refused.

“I was not voted in to be the Governor of the Republicans,” he said. “I was the Governor of all the people, of all 38 million people. We went to do environmental issues, as you know, then health care issues, education issues. It didn’t matter if someone said, ‘This is a Democratic issue, or this is a Republican issue.’ We just did those because it was good for the people.”

As Governor, Schwarzenegger also pushed political reform, which was unpopular with both parties.

“When you do weightlifting, when you come from that background, you try to lift 500 pounds as many times until you do it,” he explained. “So this is the world I come from. I never give up.”

He fought to establish open primaries and to end gerrymandering, the practice of drawing voting districts to protect incumbents.

Historian and USC University Professor Kevin Starr (photo by Ron Murray)

Historian and USC University Professor Kevin Starr (photo by Ron Murray)

These reforms are an important legacy, according to Kevin Starr, who served for a decade as California State Librarian until Schwarzenegger named him State Librarian Emeritus in 2004.

“The idea of trying to open up the politics of California so that centrists – bipartisan, centrist Democrats, centrist Republicans, etc. – can start filling up the corridors of power, both in Washington and in Sacramento, is a very important long-term reform of yours,” Starr said. “And you should take great pride in that.”

During the question-and-answer session, USC students and others asked about everything from sequestration to the likelihood of the formation of a third, more centrist political party in the U.S. The students also took the opportunity to thank the distinguished trio for sharing their rich experiences.

“I just want to thank the three of you guys for being here,” remarked one student. “I was at the Schwarzenegger Institute’s event with Senator McCain too, and as students, we’re really thankful to have resources and speakers such as yourselves that we can see.”